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Dec 3, 2005
"Tarrytown” (1958), Long Lost Lyric
Hello,
I beg your pardon for my written English but I'm a Dutch guy and it has been 45
years ago I learned this language at school. Within 2 years my wife and
myself are married for 40 years and 40 years ago I heard a song but I don't
know who sings it. I remember the following phrases:
“In
A lovely girl, I knew her well,
I adored her ... and remembered me,
With the … she is growing over me.
We were young and love was grand,
I gave her kisses on her hand.
She left me, for he …
Had gold and money more than me.”
I cannot remember the rest but hope that you can help me with this lovely song
and melody.
Louis,
The
Dear Louis,
Nice to again hear from the Netherlands
with its huge Belafonte following. It appears you have browsed this site and
so you must suspect that Harry recorded the song in question. If you visit the
"Singles RCA" page you will find a reference to the "
Seasons greetings to you and your wife,
Kind regards, Albnut
(As sung by Harry Belafonte)
In
Tarrytown, there did dwell
A lovely girl I knew her well
I courted her on bended knee
Until she said that she would marry me
Wide and deep my grave will be
With the wild goose grasses growing over me
Wide and deep my grave will be
With the wild goose grasses growing over me
We were young and love was grand
I gave her kisses, held her hand
We walked along the little way
And talked of when would be our wedding day
Wide and deep my grave will be
With the wild goose grasses growing over me
An alehouse stands in Tarrytown
And now my love she dances 'round
She sits upon another's knee
For he has gold and silver more than me
Hello Albert,
Thanks a lot. I am so glad with your answer because now I can sing this
lovely song when we are married for 40 years. It shall be an amusing
surprise for my wife, but I am not sure if I can wait so long! Wish me strength!
Kind regards,
Louis
Dear Louis,
Your wife might be interested in learning the female lyric as follows.
Kind regards, Albnut
In
Tarrytown, there did dwell
A weaver’s son I loved him well
He courted me both night and day
And then with me he would no longer stay
When I wore my apron low
He’d follow me through ice and snow
Now that I wear my apron high
He goes right down my street and passes by
An alehouse stands in Tarrytown
And now my love he sits me down
He takes another on his knee
For she has gold and riches more than me
Dec 16, 2005
Spotlight on “Midnight Special” (1962)
Dear sir,
I happened to find your website, while looking for a reliable source of Harry
Belafonte recording dates, especially for “Midnight Special” in 1962. Can
you maybe direct me to this information?
Best wishes,
Hans Peter B
Germany
Dear Hans Peter B,
I'm afraid I am unable to help much with your request. My information does not
go much beyond what's available on the LP jacket itself.
It does appear though that all 20 takes of the song "Midnight
Special" are now available on the Internet. It doesn't take an exhaustive
investigation to conclude that these were made available to down-loaders by some
member of the team that did the Bob Dylan project a few years back. They set out
to bring together all of Dylan's early recordings where he participated strictly
as a session musician.
Of course we all know he was present in 1962 as the
harmonica player on that one number on the Belafonte LP, "Midnight
Special." So if you can find out who headed up that Dylan project you
will have the guy with all the answers. It looks as though the team was given
unrestricted access to the BMG/RCA vaults and undoubtedly has copies of the
session notes and all.
If you do find out more I would be very interested in hearing about it.
Best of luck with your quest,
Kind regards, Albnut
The Puzzling Alternate Recordings
Hi Albert,
I have two versions of “Belafonte Returns to Carnegie Hall” on CD. One is
from 1993 (released simultaneously with the first double CD Carnegie Hall
concert in
Cheers, Menno,
The Netherlands
Hi Menno,
You are away ahead of me on this one. Currently I only have the CD issue from
1993 (MFSL). Let me investigate further and get back to you.
Best regards, Albert
Hi Menno,
I have ordered the other CD of "Returns to Carnegie" but it could be a
while before I receive it. In the meantime I did go to the AMG site where the
track that seems to be getting the close scrutiny is precisely the one you
mentioned, "La Bamba." One reviewer suggests, as you have, that it's
from another performance altogether.
Regards, Albert
Please scroll to Dec 16, 2006 for continuation.
January 11, 2006
“The Strollin' Twenties” (1966)
Greetings,
I am searching for a television program that was broadcast by CBS and produced
by Harry Belafonte (Harbel) in 1966. I see that you have information on it
within your wonderful website. I am really impressed by all of the terrific
information that you feature there.
I am trying to find a library, footage house, or museum that has a copy of The
Strollin' Twenties. I have contacted CBS, The Library of Congress, The
National Museum of Radio and Television and about 20 footage archives - but with
no success. Please let me know if you have any suggestions as to where I can
find a copy. Thank you in advance for any advice that you could share with me. I
appreciate your kind assistance.
Best wishes, Ann
Brooklyn, NY
Dear Ann,
As you have no doubt detected, "Belafonte Tracks" is very much a work
in progress. Although it initially focused on Belafonte's recordings, attention
has since shifted to his many other endeavors. Our primary objective is to add
definition to the early years (let's say 1945 to 1985). All remaining additions
to "Tracks" are presently planned and they will be introduced
individually as time permits.
So much for openers, now on to your mission. I would dearly love to be able to
tell you that we have "The Strollin' Twenties" on video or even audio
(soundtrack) but, unfortunately, such is not the case. We are in contact with a
number of other private collectors but this show has not surfaced. That's not to
say that it was never captured on film by adoring fans of the artists involved.
On the contrary, I fully believe it was. I am continually amazed at what is out
there in circulation, some of it dating back as far as the mid fifties. But
where does one begin to search?
I am sorry that I am unable to assist you at this time. If I come up with any
leads worth pursuing I will get back to you. Meantime, good luck with your
project.
Kind regards, Albnut
Readers:
Can anyone help with this one?
Edric Connor, “Songs from
Eureka
Dear Marilyn (eBay
member),
The Edric Connor LP arrived today in fine shape thanks to your careful
packaging. I knew it was a rare find but it surpasses even my wildest
expectations. You see I'm a huge Belafonte fan from way back (1954) - that
being a couple of years before the album “Calypso” became a best seller for
him. It featured mento music from
Belafonte collaborated with another performer who called himself Lord Burgess
(Irving Burgie). Burgie had a huge repertoire of traditional songs from the
Many thanks, Albert
Please
scroll down to the exchange with Pete Seely dated March 14, 2007 for another
spin on this story (tail end of string).
February 14, 2006
LP, “Streets I Have Walked” (1963), Insider
Report
Hello,
I am the girl smiling from ear to ear at the very top left of the photo on the
back cover of the LP. My uncle gave Belafonte one of his first singing jobs in New Hampshire
in 1951, and when he found out who I was he was most kind to me. Still is
whenever I "bump" into him at an environmental event-etc.
Kindly! Louisa
PS- What a blast it was … I will never forget this experience!!
Dear Louisa,
This is a most welcome surprise to finally be in touch with one of the
participants in those delightful recording sessions! You must have many little
stories to relate about this extraordinary experience. For now I would just like
to share with you this scan from the back cover of the album, "Streets I
Have Walked." A pretty happy looking group I should add.
Kind regards, Albnut
March 10, 2006
Belafonte Reissues in Limbo
Do you know if there are any plans to release any of the other Belafonte
concerts on CD in the near future?
Best regards, Menno
The
Hi Menno,
It's all quiet right now but there must be something brewing behind the scenes
(and hopefully not just another series of theme compilations). I'm afraid we
have lost touch with our contact at BMG-UK so we are not party to what is
happening. With the change of ownership of the label it is all very confused.
Belafonte, himself, does not appear that interested in making sure that the
roll-over to CD happens in an organized fashion. Of course he is not at all to
blame. He has much more important stuff going on in his life. The reissue
process should happen with or without his involvement ... simply because it's
the proper thing to do. The bigger picture is that the recording industry as a
whole finds itself in a state of total turmoil right now. But that does not
forgive them for what did not happen 10 or 15 years ago.
Best regards, Albert
April 21, 2006
Request for Greetings from Mr.
Belafonte
Hello and thanks for your
amazing website on Mr. Harry Belafonte. My mother will be turning 80 this year
and she has been a huge Belafonte fan for decades. She still lives in the Philippines
and attended his concert when he visited there many years ago. Would you know
if it is at all possible to obtain a greeting (in writing or very brief video)
from him?
Many thanks, Cecilia
Denver CO
Dear Cecilia,
Wish I could help but I have no way of contacting Mr. Belafonte who will be
turning 80 himself on March 1, 2007. But please wish your mother a happy
birthday on behalf of another huge Belafonte fan who just celebrated his 69th
anniversary.
Kind regards, Albnut
May 19, 2006
Belafonte’s "
Hello,
I am trying to find this on CD. Is a soundtrack version available?
Marie
Dear Marie,
It's available in a double CD set called "The Essential Harry
Belafonte" released by Sony in 2005. You can find it in just about any
record store or online at HMV or CD Universe. It is also on "Harry
Belafonte, All Time Greatest Hits, Vol. 1" but this single CD may be
more difficult to locate. Also you can purchase the movie of the same
name on DVD and catch Harry singing and even humming the refrain.
Best of luck with your quest,
Albnut
July 4, 2006
Irving Burgie, Father of Modern Calypso

I thought you might consider adding this link to your link page.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7424629562759717538&q=harry+belafonte
There is an interesting mini-documentary on Google Video called Day-O!:
The Music of Irving Burgie. It discusses the work the composer Irving Burgie did
with Harry Belafonte. He is the composer of Belafonte's greatest hits. The album
he wrote for Harry Belafonte, "Calypso," was the first in history to
sell over 1 million copies!
Nu On
Hello No On,
Congratulations on this most informative, uplifting and finely-crafted
documentary about the man behind the "calypso" explosion of the
mid fifties.
My own collection of
I got turned on to West Indian music as a teenager in the early fifties when I
happened upon a radio program featuring work-songs from the islands (Edric
Connor, maybe?). Shortly thereafter I became aware of some of Belafonte's early
calypso recordings (Matilda, Man Smart, Hold 'Em Joe, Man
Piaba) and
realized he was drawing from those same sources. Suffice it to say that
this joyful, rhythmic and melodic music was unlike anything I had ever
heard before. It left me longing for more of the same but it seemed to be next
to impossible to find in local record shops.
Then along came the Belafonte's LP "Calypso" in 1956
containing 11 block-busting mento-calypso tracks. It quickly became evident
that he had tapped into an extraordinary body of traditional music from the
Anyway, the ensuing collaboration between Lord Burgess, Harry
Belafonte, William Attaway and musicians like Millard Thomas and
Herbert Levy remains a subject that musicologists discuss with reverence
until this day.
I will gladly add your link to "Belafonte Tracks" when I do the
next update.
Kind regards,
Albnut
PS- Could you possibly put me in touch with anyone who knows something
about Belafonte's appearance on “The Colgate Hour (Holiday in
Banana Boat (Day-O), The Jack-Ass Song, Come Back Liza, Hosanna
The success of this show is what set the stage for the recording of
the "Calypso" LP. The rest, as they say, is history!
August 6, 2006
Belafonte-En Gränslös Kväll På Operan (1966)
Dear Sirs,
My family when they were in
Best wishes,
Omer,
Turkey
Sept 30, 2006
Quiet Room (1966), A Family Passion
Dear Albert,
By coincidence I visited your website and read comments about the album "My
Quiet Room" from Harry Belafonte. My father (he died 30 years ago) was a
big fan of Harry Belafonte and "Quiet Room" was my father and
mother's favorite record. I like it as well. It's beautiful music. When I'm
listening to this album, I'm "traveling" back into time, and that
gives me that special "Sunday afternoon feeling" of my younger days.
In 2005 my mother died, she was almost 87 years old. My sister and I've
chosen the music for the funeral ceremony. We both knew that "Try
to Remember" would be our mother's choice. Though we were
grieving, it felt really good to hear that beautiful song again. So comforting
and at the same time it felt so overwhelming. It seemed like Harry
Belafonte was singing that particular song especially for us.
"I'm Just A Country Boy" is also a beautiful song with well chosen
lyrics. Harry Belafonte’s performance is in one word wonderful. You can
feel his broken heart when he sings: "I never could afford a store bought
ring, with a sparkling diamond stone." In fact, this whole album has
"stolen my heart", and that's why it's so special for me.
Kind regards, Anneke
The Netherlands
Dear Anneke,
It's always nice to hear from another big Belafonte fan. With your explanation I
can readily appreciate your attachment to this particular album connecting
you with your past. There is another Belafonte LP called "Love Is A Gentle
Thing" that you might enjoy. It contains mostly quiet and
mystical numbers. I believe it captures that same mood that your parents
enjoyed.
Kind regards, Albert
Nov 27, 2006
Cat & Horse or Cart & Horse?
Dear Readers,
When I first stumbled upon the words to "Matilda, Matilda" over
fifty years ago, I suspected I was dealing with a typographical error. After all
it had to be "cart and horse" and not "cat and horse." But
if the former were the correct wording then why would the writer put the
"cart before the horse" so to speak? From another perspective, I
reasoned that a horse would fetch a fair price on the auction block if it came
complete with a cart. But who would attempt to sweeten a horse
trade by throwing in a cat?
I was left confused and that confusion has occupied my mind all of these
years.
Read on through the next post for the full story on Matilda and her legendary
flight to Venezuela.
Kind regards, Albnut
Matilda, Matilda
Five
hundred dollars (friends) I lost
What made me sell me cat and horse?
Matilda, she take me money
And run Venezuela.
Matilda,
Matilda, Matilda, she take me money
And run Venezuela.
Matilda, Matilda, Matilda, she take me money
And run Venezuela.
Well,
de money was just inside me bed,
Stuck up in de pillow beneath me head
Don't you know Matilda, she take me money
And run Venezuela.
Well,
de money was to buy me house and lan',
Then she got a serious plan
Hey a Matilda, she take me money
And run Venezuela.
Well,
me friends, nevah to love again,
All me money gone in vain
Hey a Matilda, she take me money
And run Venezuela.
Nov 27, 2006
Matilda, she run, she run ...
Dear Readers,
The following link to "Matilda's Funeral," a recent story written by Fred E. Foldvary was
kindly sent my way by Judy Paul. I
thought it might also be of interest to those who grew up listening to Harry
playfully bemoan
the abrupt disappearance of his beloved Matilda, together with his worldly possessions.
Enjoy, Albnut
http://www.freeliberal.com/archives/002327.html
Nov 29, 2006
Winner by Decision, Ethel Waters
I discovered your great website today, by chance, after searching for images of
Ethel Waters and Harry Belafonte in "Winner by Decision," which I have
never had the pleasure of seeing. Would you be able to tell me how I might go
about obtaining a DVD or video cassette copy of that show as part of my academic
research? I am developing a book on Miss Waters and I would like to
include a discussion of this work, which features two of my favorite stars. Your
help would be most appreciated.
Best regards,
Randall C
I would love to help you locate a DVD copy of "Winner by Decision" but
I'm afraid I don't even know where to begin searching. A lot of short video clips
have been popping up on You Tube lately but not that one. Some of the private
collectors may have it but, there again, how to find them? I have viewed
everything that comes up on eBay carrying the Belafonte name (title and detail
search) for 6 years running and have never seen it go by. But these
treasures have a habit of appearing once we have given up all hope.
Best of luck with your project.
Kind regards, Albnut
Dec 16, 2006
“Belafonte Returns to Carnegie Hall” (1960)
The Puzzling Alternate Recordings
Continued
from Jan 11, 2006

Dear Carlo and Hans,
Here's an interesting puzzle submitted by Menno way back in January. It
just might yield one or two "original tracks." Let me
explain. There were 2 reissues of this album on CD as you will see in the
attached pictures. One is by Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab (MFCD 782), while the
other is a BMG-USA production (09026-62690-2). Menno strongly suspects that
some alternate recordings have crept into the BMG-USA CD reissue. I am
wondering whether one of you might wish to study these recordings and
offer your opinions
Albert
Albert & Carlo,
I have two releases of the "Returns to Carnegie" album: the original
release on vinyl and the MFSL CD release. There are differences in track time
given on the covers of these albums. Whenever this happens, I check to find out
if the timing given on the cover is correct or not. In most cases there is just
a printing error. In some cases you can find an edit and very rarely a different
version. There is a problem with live recordings, as there is no audible
"gap" in between the tracks. I have often found that the only reason
for different timings was the "amount" of introduction at the
beginning or applause at the end that counted as track time.
I have checked my database for the track entries of these two releases and I
have seen that I corrected all timings to the initial vinyl timings with the
exception of "The Ox Drivers" being 2:50 on the vinyl and 3:49 on the
MFSL release. I filed no comment on this, so I have to check that again. To me
it seemed that the MFSL release is a rather straight reissue of the vinyl
release with some edits to fit the two LPs on one CD. Do you think that the BMG
reissue has probably those different tracks?
Hans
Hans & Carlo,
I just gave "La Bamba" a listen on the 2 different CD remasterings.
The MFSL track sounds very much like the LP whereas the BMG-RCA reissue is quite
different throughout. So my call is that we are dealing with an entirely
different recording of the number with an appeal all its own. I have not
listened to the other tracks yet.
Albert
Albert,
The problem you've raised with "Belafonte Returns to Carnegie Hall" is
quite intriguing. I have the original vinyl album (of course) and the Mobile
Fidelity CD, but not the BMG re-issue. Honestly I have never noticed any
difference between the Mobile Fidelity and the original vinyl. This album
is one of the first I ever bought of Belafonte and one of my favorites, so I
think I know it pretty well. I may be wrong, but If there would have been any
difference I think I would have caught it immediately.
More than this, Mobile Fidelity has surely produced its release by license from
BMG and in such cases they always receive original masters. BMG instead has
access to its archives for alternate takes, so it's more likely that the
BMG issue may have some different takes more than Mobile Fidelity.
As for the timings, they are all so different that I agree with Hans that they
may be due to a mistake or wrong attributions – something that I have
noticed other times for other records.
All that said, I will gladly and curiously listen to the BMG release and have my
comments.
Carlo
Carlo,
Sorry, I put far too much importance on the differences in track length between
the LP and the CD reissues. I have realized myself in digitizing live
performances that placing the break between songs is very much a matter of
personal preference. Also there is always the temptation (and at times the
requirement) to edit out prolonged applause and non-musical patter,
especially when attempting to cram a double LP set onto a single CD. So yes the
differences in playtimes have no great importance to the present exercise.
You have confirmed that the Mobile Fidelity CD issue draws from the LP masters.
So we are probably only questioning the BMG-RCA reissue. That is consistent with
what Menno has claimed and also in agreement with what the two contributors to
the Amazon site have said.
Albert
Albert,
I think you will find that many of the tracks are different from the LP. The
question is where does this other concert recording come from? Is it another
date at Carnegie or was it recorded elsewhere or were some of the songs
re-recorded in the studio because Harry didn't like the versions as they were?
Menno
Please
scroll to Jan 7, 2007 for more on this topic.
December 25, 2006
CD Reissues of the Belafonte Back Catalogue
Hi,
Any idea why "Streets I Have Walked" (not to mention "Midnight
Special" and probably others) are not released in
Thanks, Ray
Dear Ray,
All serious Belafonte fans are frustrated by BMG's (now Sony?) lack of
interest in remastering and reissuing all his RCA Victor recordings exactly as
they first appeared way back when. Instead they insist on putting out
compilation CDs drawing from a limited pool of preselected tracks. In the
process they never venture far beyond the standards (Jamaica Farewell,
You will find "Midnight Special" and "Jump Up Calypso" on a
"2 gether on 1" release by BMG. It is sold as part of a 3 CD boxed set
called "Harry Belafonte, 3 Originals" (purple box face).
"Streets" and "Mark Twain" are brought together on a single
CD that sells regularly on eBay. But the latter is not an official release and
as such I cannot vouch for the quality of the transfers.
Unfortunately, I don't think Sony cares much what a few Belafonte fans think.
But we did do a project in 2004 with BMG in the
Kind regards, Albnut
Hi Albert,
Thank you so much for your prompt, comprehensive, and informative response!
I will continue to check your excellent site for news.
Incidentally, if you know of any amateur group or association of fans,
particularly ones who might get together and actually sing Belafonte and similar
classics of folk, in the NYC area, don't hesitate to let me know. If no
such group exists, it should!
Happy new year -
Ray
“Belafonte Returns to Carnegie Hall”
The Puzzling Alternate Recordings
Continued
from Dec 16, 2006

Friends,
I have finished the comparison work related to the "H.B. Returns To
Carnegie Hall" reissue on BMG. Here is what I think I found. As we all have
agreed that the MFSL CD is identical to the vinyl version, I have compared the
MFSL to the BMG reissue.
1) It is absolutely obvious that the reissue contains two tracks that are
different from the MFSL. These are "Jump Down, Spin Around" and
"La Bamba". This is easy to hear.
2) I am also convinced that "Hene Ma Tov" is a different take. This is
a little bit difficult to find and requires repeated listening to certain
sections of the songs. A hint: Check the durations of the instrumental (guitar)
parts.
3) I am pretty sure that all other tracks are identical. The differences in
times is a result of where you put the markers for track length. Very often you
can see that on one release the track starts with the spoken intro, whereas on
the other release it starts with the music and the spoken intro counts to the
previous track.
4) "I've Been Driving On Bald Mountain" and the following "Water
Boy" count as one track (medley) on the MFSL version, whereas on the
reissue it counts as two. The result: 18 vs. 19 tracks in total.
I can not say if a further in-depth investigation would turn up more results,
but I am pretty sure that this is all what can be found with respect to the
music. I have not compared the announcements word by word. I guess that was not
the question.
I am now looking forward to Carlo's expertise. Anway - great news.
Hans
Albert,
From what I can remember some of the dialogue in between songs by Harry is also
different, but I would have to agree that the most obvious difference was with
"La Bamba" and "Jump Down, Spin Around".
Menno
Friends,
Here enclosed are my comments about the above CD. Just like Hans, I have
compared the two CDs from BMG and Mobile Fidelity, as we all agree that the
Mobile Fidelity CD is exactly the same as the original vinyl album.
I am curious to know your further comments about my findings. This BMG
release is surely very interesting to us, but from a more general point of view
I find it a complete mess and nonsense. I think a non-Belafonte fan
who just happened to have and liked this album must have been quite
disappointed buying this CD and not finding the original versions he
was familiar with.
It would have been a different and right approach to release the entire
"alternate" concert (possibly a matinee performance) advertising on
the cover sleeve "new unedited / extended edition" or something like
that.
A release like this seems more like an unintentional mistake made by BMG,
which has incompetently taken the masters from messed up archives.
Unluckily this kind of work is not new to BMG/RCA... take the word of an Elvis
expert!
Carlo
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JUMP DOWN, SPIN
AROUND |
Different recording
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SUZANNE |
Same |
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A LITTLE LYRIC OF
GREAT IMPORTANCE |
Same but with
extended spoken introduction, citing |
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Langston Hughes as
the composer. |
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CHICKENS |
Same |
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5 |
VAICHAKZEM (Chad
Mitchell Trio) |
Same |
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6 |
I DO ADORE HER (Chad
Mitchell Trio) |
Same |
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7 |
THE BALLAD OF SIGMUND
FREUD (Chad
Mitchell Trio) |
Same but with a
longer spoken introduction. |
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I'VE BEEN DRIVING ON BALD MOUNTAIN / |
Same |
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A HOLE IN THE BUCKET
(with Odetta) |
Same but with spoken
introduction edited ("keep |
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because…"). |
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The ending also has
been differently mixed: |
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Belafonte's last
line, while on the BMG re-release it |
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end of the song. |
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THE CLICK SONG
(Miriam Makeba) |
Same, but with longer
spoken introduction, citing |
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Makeba's movie
"Come Back Africa" |
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ONE MORE DANCE (with
Miriam Makeba) |
Same |
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12 |
THE OX DRIVER'S SONG
(Belafonte Folk Singers) |
Same |
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13 |
THE RED ROSY BUSH (Belafonte Folk Singers) |
Same |
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14 |
DIDN'T IT RAIN? (Belafonte Folk Singers) |
Same |
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15 |
HENE MA TOV |
I haven't noticed
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edited and slightly speed up |
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introduction has been added. |
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I KNOW WHERE I'M
GOING |
Quite strange this
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the song with the exception of |
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Wow, that is quite extensive from Carlo! It would appear that the original LP was probably
a compilation from different venues. Apparently there exists another mix, which
was used for this CD. However, having listened to an old CD that my mother has
(a release from 1993 by BMG-Germany no longer in production), I believe that
“Hene Ma Tov” is definitely a different recording from start to finish, as
are “La Bamba” and “Jump Down Spin Around.” I feel that Belafonte's
timing and phrasing are slightly different throughout these songs. I would have
to agree with Carlo that “Old King Cole” sounds almost exactly the same.
What is funny is that I seem to remember it said on the LP cover that “La
Bamba” was 8 minutes long and that you could hear Belafonte dancing, something
I did not notice on the original recording, which was only about 6 1/2 minutes
long. This new recording seems to be the one they were writing about.
Menno
Albert,
Your remark concerning the “Belafonte Returns To Carnegie Hall” album had me
to the shelves of LPs and CDs immediately. Of course I have owned the 2LP-set
"forever". From the beginning I have always been a little intrigued
regarding the duration time information in brackets following the song-titles
inside the gatefold cover. Especially on “La Bamba” informing
8:06 minutes while the track actually lasts 6+ minutes, only, but I have
regarded that as carelessness from the manufacturer of the album.
A couple of years ago I saw a CD copy of the set at my local 2nd-hand-shop for a
trifle, so I obtained it. It was a CLASSIC COMPACT DISC release under license
from BMG. Only much later I found out that this release is a 24K Gold disc!! But
to be honest I only have heard this once to assure it played through with no
errors. Now with your information I have listened to it again, and I think this
is a slightly different version, too. I do not have equipment to run LP and CD
simultaneously, but “La Bamba” on my CD runs a full 8:00 minutes. On my set
the disc shows a run-time of 71:55 minutes.
I am not sure why this difference - you mention alternative takes, but recorded
when? The concert was recorded during one performance, only. Maybe recordings
during rehearsals? The LP-version could be edited/shortened or even dubbed from
the original concert-recording or similar. I look forward to see what you come
up with.
Jan
Please
scroll to April 14, 2007 for the wrap-up and conclusions.
Feb 17, 2007
Contacto
hello Albert sorry by my english i am from Argentina..i
speak in
spanish...prefiero escribir en español...soy admirador de Harry..aca en
ARGENTINA es muy dificil conseguir record de HARRY..hace mucho que no hay
nada ..lo ultimo el cd. ...100 años de rca.victor..he logrado con los años
y con ayuda de ustedes ..sobre todo tu que sabes un monton de Harry y he
conseguido casi todo lo que hay editado..los temas en distinatas versiones y
las peliculas..me faltan las no subtituladas..pero ya las voy a
conseguir..te digo se poco de computadotas en mi casa no tengo ..ahora estoy
en una oficina de internet.te digo yo tengo un vhs, de HARRY y JULLIE
ANDREWS en el programa de JULIE en tv LA HORA DE JULIE .esta HARRY----suvuca
y cantas a duo..y tengo una aparicion en el SHOW de ED SULLIVAN..ahi harry
canta JAMAICA FAREWELL y tengo un records de un programa de radio en que
canta HAITE CHERIE y THE MARCHINS SAINT con la orqueta de de DEL
SHANON..este records todavia no lopude escuchar y grabar pues mide 40 cm de
diametro y no consigo un equipo. en la proxima que te escriba te pondre los
datos exctos del mismo el numero ..tiene una fecha escrita sobre el mismo
cuando se puso en el aire y otra donde dice no pasarlo antes de ella..no te
canso mas espero tu respuesta..te digo tengo 56 años..cuando HARRY era
escuchado por aca yo era muy niño...chau HECTOR
March
1st, 2007
Happy Birthday, Harry!
With all our
admiration and affection we at
" Belafonte
Tracks "
wish you all the best on this,
Your 80th Birthday.
le 10 mars 2007
Les Admirateurs de Nana et Harry se parlent
Cher
Albert!
C’est
toujours avec plaisir que je visite ton site. À chaque fois, j’en apprends un
peu plus sur celui qui est à l’origine du succès de Nana au Canada. Il est
vrai que c’est une véritable légende de la chanson et du cinéma.
En
se baladant ici et là parmi tes pages, il est frappant de constater à quel
point nous avons bien des similitudes quant à la réalisation d’un site; Toi
aussi, tu aimes le détail, le contenu et voir à ce que ça soit bien écrit.
On a aussi les mêmes idées; les
passages télés, les caricatures, les couvertures de magazines.
Bon
succès à toi Albert pour les années à venir. Je te souhaite toujours
davantage de nombreux visiteurs pour admirer le chef d’œuvre de ta vie.
Stéphane
Robert,
Webmaster du site québécois de Nana Mouskouri
www.nanamouskouri.qc.ca
March 14, 2007
Belafonte Collector
Congratulation on picking up that rare Belafonte Capitol 78. Now that Bear
Family has made all of the early sides available on CD only true collectors are
interested in securing these first issues. I would be very interested in hearing
what you have to say about Harry.
Kind regards, Albert
Hi Albert,
Thanks for writing. I collect a number of people, but I think my Belafonte
collection is probably the richest. I mostly collect 78s, reel-to-reel tapes,
and foreign issues of his LPs. There's a few 78s I don't have, and the only reel
tape I'm missing is "Calypso." I visited your very cool website and
will be back again later this week to do the same.
Harry Belafonte has been a part of my life since 1960 or 1961, whichever the
year was that my father brought home "Belafonte at Carnegie Hall." I
was forever hooked! Those wonderful melodies, that gorgeous voice! That record
was like its own little world for me. My misunderstanding of some of the lyrics
made for some wonderful misinterpretations.
When I was old enough to get an allowance, while other kids were saving for
toys, baseball cards, and such, I would save every week to buy a new Harry LP at
the local E.J. Korvette store. My first was "Streets I Have Walked"
and then it was one after another. This was around 1963-64.
I kind of fell off the Harry wagon until the seventies, but was disappointed by
the late sixties/early seventies output. Then miraculously, over twenty years
past his real recording prime, he released what was probably his late great
album, “
Like I said, I will be visiting your web site again. Thanks for writing.
Pete Seely
Hi Pete,
Thanks for taking the time to respond to my mail. I sure can relate to your
story about saving up to buy Belafonte's LPs. Under "Rambles" on the
site you can read about my own efforts to secure his singles in the mid 1950s.
- Have you come across any alternate takes or other variants (for instance,
extended tracks) on your reel-to-reel tapes? I have often thought about
acquiring Harry's albums on tape (cleaner sound I'm told) but just never got
around to it.
- Again I like your expression, "Belafonte has been part of my life
..." I sometimes say that he has been “my constant companion.”
- Would be interested to know what other artists or music you collect.
The burning question for all of us is, where are all the US
fans? I corresponded with a few for a short period after the site went up but
that was it. The same is the case for the
Regards, Albert
Hi Albert,
I may not be quite as in tune with the very slight differences that sometimes
exist between Belafonte versions as you obviously are, from reading your
analysis of “
You asked about other artists I collect. I have extraordinarily wide tastes, and
I own close to 20,000 CDs, LPs, 45s, 78s, reel, 8-track and cassette tapes. I am
a completist for many artists I collect, so I will tell you some of the artists
aside from Belafonte whose work I collect apart from having most or all of
their work on CD. In other words, these are artists whom I seek out 33s, 45s,
78s, b-sides, reel tapes, or oddities:
- Benny Goodman
-
Laura Nyro
-
David Bowie
-
The Guess Who
-
James Brown
-
Roxy Music
-
Henry Mancini
-
Brother Dave Gardner
-
Tangerine Dream
My latest muse is Mancini. There are many, many other artists whose entire
catalogue I have but I have stopped with getting all of their music. As a
pure collector, my biggest favorites are probably Belafonte and James Brown.
I hope to be visiting “Belafonte Tracks” in the future, if for no other
reason than to be the token
Regards, Pete
PS-
I forgot to attach one little bit to the last note, a kind of personal Belafonte
list:
- first Belafonte record owned: a 45, probably “Cocoanut Woman/Island in the
Sun,” Christmas 1960
- first Belafonte record heard: “Belafonte at Carnegie Hall,” probably 1959
or 1960
- first Belafonte record purchased: “Streets I Have Walked,” 1963
- first Belafonte concert: Orchestra Hall,
- favorite Belafonte record: “Belafonte at Carnegie Hall”
- most underrated Belafonte LP: either “The Many Moods of Belafonte” or
“Streets I Have Walked”
- least favorite Belafonte LP: Never much cared for “Play Me” or “Turn the
World Around”
- collecting oddities: 16 different versions of “Belafonte at Carnegie
Hall" from 9 different countries. Mono version of Belafonte
Sings of Love.
Top three questions:
- Why is so relatively little of Belafonte's work available on CD?
- Why hasn't there ever been a North American release of Love is a Gentle Thing,
The Many Moods of Belafonte, Streets I have Walked, Belafonte at the Greek
Theater, and Ballads, Blues, and Boasters?
- Why have so many versions of Calypso, Jump Up Calypso, Belafonte Sings the
Blues, An Evening With Belafonte/Makeba and An Evening with Belafonte/Mouskouri been
released?
Pete Seely,
Hi Pete,
Boy am I amazed at both the size of your collection and the wide range of
artists it takes in. My own musical interests are fairly diverse but I am only a
completist when it comes to Harry. Besides recordings, I also chase after
Belafonte memorabilia (magazine articles, playbills, photos, tour books, promo
ads, etc). However I don't attempt to secure record issues from other countries
unless they contain original material ("first issues") or come with
unique and appealing cover art. Also I don't generally collect compilations
unless they contain tracks which have been remastered (let's call that "digitized")
and are being released for the first time. So maybe I can't really call myself a
completist after all.
I just had to ask the question about alternate takes on those
reel-to-reel tape releases as you are in a position to know. As you have
gathered the underlying theme of "Belafonte Tracks" is to flag every
last original Belafonte recording that's out there. A few visitors to the site
have questioned why we insist on being so analytical. "After all,
isn't it the music that's important," they say. The justification for
a no-stone-left-unturned approach to the Belafonte catalogue becomes evident
with a visit to the "Treasure Trove" page. Gathered there are a
collection of rare, and sometimes obscure, tracks not found on regular albums.
Belafonte has always tended to rework and rearrange his repertoire to keep
things fresh. Sampling recordings of his standards made over the years
reveals a remarkable transformation. He would even go so far as to mix
things up during a tour, sometimes completely changing the delivery of a
particular number from one night to the next. I have this from a very reliable
source, that being Judy Paul at www.belafonte-asiteofsites.com
who would always make it a point to attend several shows whenever Harry passed
through Montreal
.
I first took an interest in Belafonte because of his sentimental ballads
but then quickly discovered calypso music. Over time I have managed to assemble
a small library of
Early on I acquired
an LP of West Indian music by Lord Burgess (Irving Burgie) put out on Stinson well
before he and Harry met and began their now legendary collaboration. Considering
his major involvement in Belafonte's first two calypso LPs I expected that I had
discovered the missing link. Not so. Although it was an enjoyable listen I
concluded that it was not at all the recording I was searching for.
Forty some odd years went by and then the name Edric
Connor began popping up regularly associated with traditional music
from Trinidad and
That's all for now,
Regards, Albert
March 18, 2007
A Danish Perspective
Dear Albert!
Thank you so much for your letter. Of course I know the Belafonte homepage
of yours and as soon as possible I will write you a longer letter. You see, I am
a librarian and a writer, and right now I must read the proofs of my new
novel.
Best regards,
Per Gammelgaard
Dear
Albert,
To tell you the truth I am not a Belafonte expert as you suggest. I thought I
was, but once - after a broadcasting which I produced about the art of Belafonte
- I was contacted by Jan Ejlertsen and learned a lot. Jan and I met
Belafonte several times, and Harry once referred to me as "my Danish
expert." It was during a press conference and he claimed, that “Rock
Island Line” was included on the “Midnight Special” LP. "You are
wrong!" I said. But, once again, Jan is the Danish expert, no doubt.
I often think about “Tonight with Belafonte” and other TV-specials from the
late fifties forward and hope to buy them on DVD one day.
And I often wonder why it is the same few albums that currently appear on CD.
Never “Belafonte on Campus,” “Belafonte Live Now,” “In my quiet
Room” et cetera.
The last time I saw Harry was on the first of March in
I look forward to hear from you.
Best regards, Per
Dear Per,
Your remarks about the BMG program of album re-issues on CD are well taken. It's
really quite a dilemma. We were approached by BMG-UK in 2004 and collaborated
with them on a 2-on-1 release, this being "Many Moods" coupled with
"Ballads, Blues and Boasters." We agreed to ignore the
Belafonte albums that had previously been "remastered." To our regret they have
since gone through a re-organization and we no longer have a
contact on the inside.
It's a very long story but my daughter Carole and I took in the Belafonte
concert in
Kind regards,
Albert
Dear
Albert,
I see, concerning “Many Moods / Ballads...” you got a finger in the pie -
well done! On another two-on-one-release (“Jump up Calypso/Midnight
Special”) the ending of “On Top Of Old Smokey” has just been cut short. My
Lord - how can they do that!
Once I suggested BMG place more Belafonte-material in
their collectables-oldies-series. You know, like Lena Horne/Belafonte, Makeba/Belafonte
etc. But they did not answer.
Yours, Per
April 14, 2007
“Belafonte Returns to Carnegie Hall” (1960)
The Puzzling Alternate Recordings
Continued from Jan 7, 2007

Friends,
Here is the status of our review of these 2 re-issues of Returns to Carnegie
Hall on CD (MFSL vs BMG). As you will see 3 tracks on the BMG release have
already been declared
as different from the Mobile Fidelity set. A fourth track is still in question,
that being "I Know Where I'm Going."
Summary:
1) Jump Down Spin Around
Agreed that the versions on the 2 CDs are different.
2) La Bamba.
Agreed that the versions on the 2 CDs are different.
3) Hene Ma Tov
Agreed that the versions on the 2 CDs are different.
- Questioned by both Menno and Hans
- The early part of this number is softer and more mystical on the MFSL disc.
4) I Know Where I'm Going
- Initial remarks from Carlo:
Quite strange this one. The vocal phrasing is exactly the same throughout the
song with the exception of the word "nor" in the line "nor shoes
of fine green leather."
It sounds as sung in a higher key. I am no such expert in music, but it's
impossible to sing twice the same song in the same way so I wonder what happened
here.
It seems as if BMG has spliced the original master with just that one insert
from a different recording, although it doesn't make much sense.
What do you think about it?
- From Albert:
I find Belafonte's pronunciation of certain words is slightly altered from
one recording to the other. For instance "painted" and
"winsome" come out sounding a bit exaggerated - but in an appealing
sort of way - on the Mobile Fidelity set.
On the BMG release I have the impression that "I Know Where I'm
Going" is a different recording from start to finish.
- Further input from Carlo:
It can be a different recording... or a different mix or a spliced version. I
have listened to it time and time again and still find it very difficult to
assume a final conviction.
I found the words "nor shoes" to be different, you added
"painted" and "winsome." Now I can also add "like a
starry cluster shine", that sounds a little more dramatic on the BMG
re-release.
I am wondering, Menno, Hans & Jan, whether you might have the time to give
these 2 tracks a close listen and report your findings.
Albert
Friends,
I read with interest your remarks on the 2 "Returns..." concert. I
must say that I have difficulties to really tell the differences between the
"I Know Where I’m Going" tracks. I think the best thing would be, if
somebody had 2 separate CD-players, and the played the tracks simultaneously -
then it should be possible to locate any small variations.
Jan
Friends,
Finally found some time to make a comparison between the two versions
of "I Know Where I’m Going." I would have to agree with your
assessment. I think the two are different recordings, although they are
indeed more similar than some of the other recordings we have discussed.
Menno
Friends,
I have finally completed my comparison of the two versions of “I Know Where
I’m Going” and want to start with the result: These are two different
recordings.
Here is what I have done: I have recorded both versions on my computer using a
software called "WaveLab". This software can be used for analyzing and
editing music files. I can see the frequency at any time and can listen to
fractions of seconds. I have set the first tone of the guitar to zero and had
the frequency image of both versions on my screen.
When you listen to small sections and compare them A to B, you can find a
tremendous amount of differences. For instance the section Carlo mentions:
"nor shoes of fine green leather". This starts at 1:02 on the MFSL
version, at 1:03 at the BMG. When you look at it on the frequency image, you can
easily see that the "phrasing" is different, as Carlo has put it. I
have attached a screenshot of this section. Please save this on your computer
first and open it with an image processing software or at least an image viewer
like IrfanView and enlarge it so it covers the whole screen.
Listen to the phrase "...for her loving winsome Johnny". At the
beginning of this the guitar plays three notes, which go from low to high on the
MFSL, but from high to low on the BMG version. Analyzing every second of this
would turn out a multitude of differences.
To come to an end: the duration of the tracks from exactly the first note to the
last is 3:14 for the MFSL and 3:09 for the BMG.
I hope this helps.
Hans
Well Hans, you certainly found a great way of comparing the two. Hooray
for technology! I guess we can put that one down as another alternate recording.
Menno
Hans,
Wow, I'm impressed with your clinical analysis of this mystery track (last of
4). Thanks for confirming beyond any lingering doubt what we suspected.
Many thanks again to Menno for discovering these alternate recordings and
bringing them to our attention.
Albert
Friends,
I bow to the super accurate and high professional examination of Hans-Peter.
My comparison was basically done in the same way (putting the two
recordings on my computer) but not as sophisticated and accurate as
studying frequency curves and timings.
By this time nobody can challenge the conclusions of Professor Huebschen,
so we can definitely say "I Know Where I'm Going" is a different
recording.
Carlo
Dear Readers,
Just a few closing thoughts on this matter. The wonderful news is that we have
identified 4 “alternate recordings.” These were never released previously
and will be added to our tally of “original Belafonte tracks.”
We are, though, left with an intriguing mystery. Where and when (and maybe why) were these
alternates recorded? The popular story is that there only was one Belafonte
concert given at Carnegie Hall in 1960 but we do not know that for a fact.
A number of possibilities have been put forward by the group to explain the
situation. These are:
- Trial
recordings made during rehearsals for the Carnegie appearance?
- A matinee
performance at Carnegie Hall?
- A second evening at Carnegie (Belafonte held over
by popular demand?).
- Studio sessions following the Carnegie event hoping to capture some special
magic?
- Recordings made at another venue altogether during that same time period?
Whatever the case may be, the
mystery lives on.
Kind regards, Albnut
May 17, 2007
A Boy and Belafonte
Dear Albert,
In 1962, when I was 14 years old, I listened to a very popular radio-non
stop-program: Music at work. Out came a song that changed my life and my taste
of music. Up-tempo, a lot of brass and drums and the most fabulous voice I ever
heard. “Angelina, Angelina, please bring down your concertina...” What
was it? Who was it? Impatiently I waited to hear the
announcement!
That's how it all began. And now I'm sure, that you are startled
at the year - 1962, but I lived in the country, and the only current music
was Danish hits and funny songs from the revues. Perhaps I knew
some calypso-songs from Nina & Frederik, I really can't remember, but in my
place it meant nothing compared to the popular, Danish music. The wave
of calypso did not hit us, and the wave of rock 'n' roll we did not like at all.
(Perhaps you know from Jan, that in the fifties you could not buy RCA
Victor in
Well, as quick as possible I took a bus to
- “Cocoanut Woman,” Belafonte singing and dancing on a ladder, was a climax in
me and my fathers being together. Does that say anything to you?
- A BBC-studio-show from the sixties, perhaps with songs from “Ballads,
Blues and Boasters”....?
- A show recorded in France
Your friend, Per
Denmark
Dear Per,
Great to get your reflections! The story about discovering Belafonte is so
precious. I especially enjoyed the part about Belafonte's charm being
instrumental in bringing you and your father closer together.
Harry dancing on a ladder, that’s special and a new one for me! Was this
on a TV show out of
Now that we're on that subject, we have been desperately looking for big Belafonte fans in the
UK. They most certainly exist but apparently they don't care to make their presence known.
This could give us access to information from the late fifties through the
sixties when Harry was very active there.
Could you give further information on the BBC studio show mentioned in your
email?
Your friend,
Albert
Dear Albert,
Belafonte climbing and dancing on a ladder - well, I remember it as a
Belafonte-show, that's all I can say.
I don't know where, but once I read, that the contract Harry signed with
BBC for himself and a few musicians (for only half an hour) was the most
expensive per minute in music history.
That's all I can tell by now.
Your friend,
Per
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